While there are people who find themselves claiming that having six inches of top and fifteen kilos of muscle over the opposite gamers does not give the MtFs a bonus in sports activities, jhkim hasn’t made that declare on this thread.  He’s said {that a} boy enjoying towards women in volleyball is not inherently harmful for the women.  Which, with the disclaimer that I do not care sufficient to truly dig for damage statistics in highschool volleyball, seems like a good sufficient declare to make.  It’s hardly a full-contact sport.

If jhkim had claimed {that a} dude had zero benefit in attain or power over women regardless of residing 80% of his life awash in testosterone and it was completely honest and heckin’ legitimate uwu, then I might name bullshit.    But that is a really completely different declare from saying that he is in all probability not a hazard to the opposite gamers.

Thanks, Valatar.

To make clear a bit — I do suppose there’s a hazard of concussion and different damage. But heaps of highschool sports activities have important hazard of damage no matter intercourse. Among highschool women’ sports activities, soccer has the best concussion fee. Girl’s volleyball has a major concussion fee, round one-third that of boys’ soccer and half that of lady’s soccer. Even cheerleading has a major concussion fee, unsurprising given the acrobatic flips they typically do.

cf. https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/144/5/e20192180/38225/Concussion-Incidence-and-Trends-in-20-High-School

Still, women soccer and coed volleyball are typically thought-about throughout the acceptable ranges of danger, and below commonplace match guidelines coed video games enable precisely the play seen within the unique put up, with a male participant spiking the ball in the direction of a feminine participant.

  This shouldn’t be precisely true, because it relies upon on the web top, if a girls’s top internet Men are NOT ALLOWED TO SPIKE IN THE FRONT COURT AT ALL.  They could hit (overhand) however they cannot spike.  I’m going to imagine you don’t perceive the variations so you might be simply considering they’re the identical scenario.  They aren’t shut, with a 7 inch distinction in top (which whether it is males’s top a person can spike within the entrance courtroom, and given the non aggressive athletes within the entrance courtroom, that is a lot much less a problem on the larger top)

  So briefly your whole argument is full bullshit since this was clearly a case of a dude spiking within the entrance courtroom on a feminine top internet.  Something unlawful within the coed play you retain making an attempt to invoke as some form of rationalization that this was OK. 

Still, women soccer and coed volleyball are typically thought-about throughout the acceptable ranges of danger, and below commonplace match guidelines coed video games enable precisely the play seen within the unique put up, with a male participant spiking the ball in the direction of a feminine participant.

  This shouldn’t be precisely true, as it relies upon on the web top, if a girls’s top internet Men are NOT ALLOWED TO SPIKE IN THE FRONT COURT AT ALL.  They could hit (overhand) however they cannot spike.  I’m going to imagine you don’t perceive the variations so you might be simply considering they’re the identical scenario.

  So briefly your whole argument is full bullshit since this was clearly a case of a dude spiking within the entrance courtroom on a feminine top internet.  Something unlawful within the coed play you retain making an attempt to invoke as some form of rationalization that this was OK.

I particularly talked about “reverse coed” as a variant again in my Reply #17, so sure, I do perceive this and I already talked about it. However, the usual match guidelines use a males’s top internet and males are allowed to spike. It is known as “reverse” as a result of it’s not the same old case, in response to the nationwide affiliation “Volleyball USA”.

So, sure, the web top is a distinction between a regular coed recreation and a regular women recreation. The lady’s recreation can have the web set 7 inches decrease.

I settle for that it’s not an actual parallel, then, and I can not say precisely the impact that it will have.

Given this, if a faculty modified it so that each one volleyball video games (boys/women/coed) had the web set on the similar top as commonplace coed, do you suppose that women video games would then be protected sufficient no matter transgender participation?

Because the expectation in a GIRL’S recreation is that they are going to be enjoying different GIRLS.

How does that expectation change the hazard? If the women group is aware of upfront, will that change issues?

I dunno. We can slice and cube the stats for days, nevertheless it comes right down to extra male our bodies on one group. This means extra energy and extra danger of damage for the opposite group. Co-ed guidelines require a minimal variety of girls per group and if a kind of “girls” has a male physique, then they’re gaming the principles.

So if extra male our bodies is extra danger of damage, then coed video games with roughly 50% male gamers are clearly extra harmful than women video games with a single transgender participant.

Isn’t that the conclusion out of your logic right here?

Still, women soccer and coed volleyball are typically thought-about throughout the acceptable ranges of danger, and below commonplace match guidelines coed video games enable precisely the play seen within the unique put up, with a male participant spiking the ball in the direction of a feminine participant.

  This shouldn’t be precisely true, as it relies upon on the web top, if a girls’s top internet Men are NOT ALLOWED TO SPIKE IN THE FRONT COURT AT ALL.  They could hit (overhand) however they cannot spike.  I’m going to imagine you don’t perceive the variations so you might be simply considering they’re the identical scenario.

  So briefly your whole argument is full bullshit since this was clearly a case of a dude spiking within the entrance courtroom on a feminine top internet.  Something unlawful within the coed play you retain making an attempt to invoke as some form of rationalization that this was OK.

I particularly talked about “reverse coed” as a variant again in my Reply #17, so sure, I do perceive this and I already talked about it. However, the usual match guidelines use a males’s top internet and males are allowed to spike. It is known as “reverse” as a result of it’s not the same old case, in response to the nationwide affiliation “Volleyball USA”.

So, sure, the web top is a distinction between a regular coed recreation and a regular women recreation. The lady’s recreation can have the web set 7 inches decrease.

I settle for that it’s not an actual parallel, then, and I can not say precisely the impact that it will have.

Given this, if a faculty modified it so that each one volleyball video games (boys/women/coed) had the web set on the similar top as commonplace coed, do you suppose that women video games would then be protected sufficient no matter transgender participation?

  So your resolution is to make women play on a males’s top internet in order that the transgenders don’t have a superb an opportunity at hurting them?   Men are allowed to spike on the upper internet for a pair causes in these exception video games….a person will get A LOT greater over a women internet than a person’s internet, and the truth is the women in these video games don’t normally play the entrance row due to this.  You are nonetheless dodging the difficulty, it’s MORE DANGEROUS FOR MEN TO PLAY AGAINST WOMEN IN A WOMEN”S GAME PERIOD. 

   I suppose in the event you simply make it a males’s internet in fact trannies will not be capable to spike on the women the identical means.  Of course this may even imply lots much less spikes from the ladies interval.  I’m certain the feminine gamers would LOVE this huge change to their sport….as an alternative of simply utilizing frequent sense and have ONLY FEMALES in a women recreation.

  But I’ll sum up my first reply to security once more right here, because you missed it earlier than.  No transgenders enjoying lady’s sports activities.  Period.  No issues now.

Do you actually contemplate it “no issues” that there are over 300,000 concussions yearly in women sports activities?

Coming into this dialog, I knew roughly concerning the risks of concussion from boys soccer. I needed to lookup the stats for ladies sports activities, although, and I used to be stunned that women soccer had a concussion fee virtually as excessive (75%), and that women volleyball was practically a 3rd as excessive. Seeing these stats makes me suppose that there’s a downside that has nothing to do with transgender gamers. Roughly half of all the two.5 million concussions per yr amongst highschool college students are from sports activities. I haven’t got particular options, nevertheless it appears to me that this can be a downside all through faculty sports activities.

It appears unfeeling to dismiss out of hand the 300,000 concussions yearly from women sports activities (and lots of extra in boys sports activities) – however to be seething with outrage over a single concussion if it includes a transgender participant.

cf. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/67/wr/mm6724a3.htm