While there are people who find themselves claiming that having six inches of peak and fifteen kilos of muscle over the opposite gamers would not give the MtFs a bonus in sports activities, jhkim hasn’t made that declare on this thread.  He’s acknowledged {that a} boy taking part in towards ladies in volleyball is not inherently harmful for the women.  Which, with the disclaimer that I do not care sufficient to really dig for harm statistics in highschool volleyball, appears like a good sufficient declare to make.  It’s hardly a full-contact sport.

If jhkim had claimed {that a} dude had zero benefit in attain or energy over ladies regardless of dwelling 80% of his life awash in testosterone and it was completely honest and heckin’ legitimate uwu, then I’d name bullshit.    But that is a really totally different declare from saying that he is in all probability not a hazard to the opposite gamers.

Thanks, Valatar.

To make clear a bit — I do suppose there’s a hazard of concussion and different harm. But heaps of highschool sports activities have vital hazard of harm no matter intercourse. Among highschool ladies’ sports activities, soccer has the very best concussion fee. Girl’s volleyball has a big concussion fee, round one-third that of boys’ soccer and half that of woman’s soccer. Even cheerleading has a big concussion fee, unsurprising given the acrobatic flips they usually do.

cf. https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/144/5/e20192180/38225/Concussion-Incidence-and-Trends-in-20-High-School

Still, ladies soccer and coed volleyball are typically thought-about throughout the acceptable ranges of threat, and underneath customary match guidelines coed video games permit precisely the play seen within the authentic put up, with a male participant spiking the ball in direction of a feminine participant.

  This just isn’t precisely true, because it relies upon on the web peak, if a ladies’s peak internet Men are NOT ALLOWED TO SPIKE IN THE FRONT COURT AT ALL.  They could hit (overhand) however they cannot spike.  I’m going to imagine you don’t perceive the variations so you might be simply pondering they’re the identical scenario.  They aren’t shut, with a 7 inch distinction in peak (which whether it is males’s peak a person can spike within the entrance courtroom, and given the non aggressive athletes within the entrance courtroom, that is a lot much less a difficulty on the better peak)

  So in brief your complete argument is full bullshit since this was clearly a case of a dude spiking within the entrance courtroom on a feminine peak internet.  Something unlawful within the coed play you retain making an attempt to invoke as some form of rationalization that this was OK. 

Still, ladies soccer and coed volleyball are typically thought-about throughout the acceptable ranges of threat, and underneath customary match guidelines coed video games permit precisely the play seen within the authentic put up, with a male participant spiking the ball in direction of a feminine participant.

  This just isn’t precisely true, as it relies upon on the web peak, if a ladies’s peak internet Men are NOT ALLOWED TO SPIKE IN THE FRONT COURT AT ALL.  They could hit (overhand) however they cannot spike.  I’m going to imagine you don’t perceive the variations so you might be simply pondering they’re the identical scenario.

  So in brief your complete argument is full bullshit since this was clearly a case of a dude spiking within the entrance courtroom on a feminine peak internet.  Something unlawful within the coed play you retain making an attempt to invoke as some form of rationalization that this was OK.

I particularly talked about “reverse coed” as a variant again in my Reply #17, so sure, I do perceive this and I already talked about it. However, the usual match guidelines use a males’s peak internet and males are allowed to spike. It known as “reverse” as a result of it isn’t the standard case, in response to the nationwide affiliation “Volleyball USA”.

So, sure, the web peak is a distinction between an ordinary coed sport and an ordinary ladies sport. The woman’s sport may have the web set 7 inches decrease.

I settle for that it’s not a precise parallel, then, and I can not say precisely the impact that it could have.

Given this, if a faculty modified it so that each one volleyball video games (boys/ladies/coed) had the web set on the identical peak as customary coed, do you suppose that ladies video games would then be secure sufficient no matter transgender participation?

Because the expectation in a GIRL’S sport is that they are going to be taking part in different GIRLS.

How does that expectation change the hazard? If the women group is aware of prematurely, will that change issues?

I dunno. We can slice and cube the stats for days, however it comes right down to extra male our bodies on one group. This means extra energy and extra threat of harm for the opposite group. Co-ed guidelines require a minimal variety of ladies per group and if a type of “ladies” has a male physique, then they’re gaming the foundations.

So if extra male our bodies is extra threat of harm, then coed video games with roughly 50% male gamers are clearly extra harmful than ladies video games with a single transgender participant.

Isn’t that the conclusion out of your logic right here?