While there are people who find themselves claiming that having six inches of peak and fifteen kilos of muscle over the opposite gamers does not give the MtFs a bonus in sports activities, jhkim hasn’t made that declare on this thread.  He’s said {that a} boy taking part in towards women in volleyball is not inherently harmful for the women.  Which, with the disclaimer that I do not care sufficient to really dig for harm statistics in highschool volleyball, appears like a good sufficient declare to make.  It’s hardly a full-contact sport.

If jhkim had claimed {that a} dude had zero benefit in attain or power over women regardless of residing 80% of his life awash in testosterone and it was completely truthful and heckin’ legitimate uwu, then I’d name bullshit.    But that is a really totally different declare from saying that he is in all probability not a hazard to the opposite gamers.

Thanks, Valatar.

To make clear a bit — I do assume there’s a hazard of concussion and different harm. But heaps of highschool sports activities have vital hazard of harm no matter intercourse. Among highschool women’ sports activities, soccer has the very best concussion fee. Girl’s volleyball has a big concussion fee, round one-third that of boys’ soccer and half that of lady’s soccer. Even cheerleading has a big concussion fee, unsurprising given the acrobatic flips they usually do.

cf. https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/144/5/e20192180/38225/Concussion-Incidence-and-Trends-in-20-High-School

Still, women soccer and coed volleyball are typically thought-about inside the acceptable ranges of danger, and below normal event guidelines coed video games permit precisely the play seen within the authentic put up, with a male participant spiking the ball in the direction of a feminine participant.

  This will not be precisely true, because it relies upon on the web peak, if a girls’s peak web Men are NOT ALLOWED TO SPIKE IN THE FRONT COURT AT ALL.  They could hit (overhand) however they cannot spike.  I’m going to imagine you don’t perceive the variations so you might be simply pondering they’re the identical state of affairs.  They should not shut, with a 7 inch distinction in peak (which whether it is males’s peak a person can spike within the entrance court docket, and given the non aggressive athletes within the entrance court docket, that is a lot much less a problem on the better peak)

  So in brief your complete argument is full bullshit since this was clearly a case of a dude spiking within the entrance court docket on a feminine peak web.  Something unlawful within the coed play you retain trying to invoke as some kind of rationalization that this was OK. 

Still, women soccer and coed volleyball are typically thought-about inside the acceptable ranges of danger, and below normal event guidelines coed video games permit precisely the play seen within the authentic put up, with a male participant spiking the ball in the direction of a feminine participant.

  This will not be precisely true, as it relies upon on the web peak, if a girls’s peak web Men are NOT ALLOWED TO SPIKE IN THE FRONT COURT AT ALL.  They could hit (overhand) however they cannot spike.  I’m going to imagine you don’t perceive the variations so you might be simply pondering they’re the identical state of affairs.

  So in brief your complete argument is full bullshit since this was clearly a case of a dude spiking within the entrance court docket on a feminine peak web.  Something unlawful within the coed play you retain trying to invoke as some kind of rationalization that this was OK.

I particularly talked about “reverse coed” as a variant again in my Reply #17, so sure, I do perceive this and I already talked about it. However, the usual event guidelines use a males’s peak web and males are allowed to spike. It known as “reverse” as a result of it isn’t the standard case, in line with the nationwide affiliation “Volleyball USA”.

So, sure, the web peak is a distinction between a typical coed sport and a typical women sport. The lady’s sport may have the web set 7 inches decrease.

I settle for that it is not an actual parallel, then, and I am unable to say precisely the impact that it will have.

Given this, if a college modified it so that every one volleyball video games (boys/women/coed) had the web set on the identical peak as normal coed, do you assume that women video games would then be secure sufficient no matter transgender participation?

Because the expectation in a GIRL’S sport is that they are going to be taking part in different GIRLS.

How does that expectation change the hazard? If the women crew is aware of prematurely, will that change issues?

I dunno. We can slice and cube the stats for days, nevertheless it comes right down to extra male our bodies on one crew. This means extra energy and extra danger of harm for the opposite crew. Co-ed guidelines require a minimal variety of girls per crew and if a type of “girls” has a male physique, then they’re gaming the principles.

So if extra male our bodies is extra danger of harm, then coed video games with roughly 50% male gamers are clearly extra harmful than women video games with a single transgender participant.

Isn’t that the conclusion out of your logic right here?

Still, women soccer and coed volleyball are typically thought-about inside the acceptable ranges of danger, and below normal event guidelines coed video games permit precisely the play seen within the authentic put up, with a male participant spiking the ball in the direction of a feminine participant.

  This will not be precisely true, as it relies upon on the web peak, if a girls’s peak web Men are NOT ALLOWED TO SPIKE IN THE FRONT COURT AT ALL.  They could hit (overhand) however they cannot spike.  I’m going to imagine you don’t perceive the variations so you might be simply pondering they’re the identical state of affairs.

  So in brief your complete argument is full bullshit since this was clearly a case of a dude spiking within the entrance court docket on a feminine peak web.  Something unlawful within the coed play you retain trying to invoke as some kind of rationalization that this was OK.

I particularly talked about “reverse coed” as a variant again in my Reply #17, so sure, I do perceive this and I already talked about it. However, the usual event guidelines use a males’s peak web and males are allowed to spike. It known as “reverse” as a result of it isn’t the standard case, in line with the nationwide affiliation “Volleyball USA”.

So, sure, the web peak is a distinction between a typical coed sport and a typical women sport. The lady’s sport may have the web set 7 inches decrease.

I settle for that it is not an actual parallel, then, and I am unable to say precisely the impact that it will have.

Given this, if a college modified it so that every one volleyball video games (boys/women/coed) had the web set on the identical peak as normal coed, do you assume that women video games would then be secure sufficient no matter transgender participation?

  So your resolution is to make women play on a males’s peak web in order that the transgenders would not have a great an opportunity at hurting them?   Men are allowed to spike on the upper web for a pair causes in these exception video games….a person will get A LOT greater over a women web than a person’s web, and the truth is the women in these video games don’t often play the entrance row due to this.  You are nonetheless dodging the difficulty, it’s MORE DANGEROUS FOR MEN TO PLAY AGAINST WOMEN IN A WOMEN”S GAME PERIOD. 

   I suppose should you simply make it a males’s web after all trannies will not be capable to spike on the women the identical method.  Of course this may also imply rather a lot much less spikes from the ladies interval.  I’m certain the feminine gamers would LOVE this huge change to their sport….as a substitute of simply utilizing frequent sense and have ONLY FEMALES in a women sport.