How is your strategy meaningfully totally different than the strategy holocaust deniers …

If you may’t interact in a very good religion dialogue then
Shut the fuck up.

How is your strategy meaningfully totally different than the strategy holocaust deniers use to disclaim the holocaust occurred?

Not a good comparability in any respect. 
Thousands of American troopers liberated camps, took a whole lot of photographs, and interviewed a whole lot of Jewish prisoners.

Totally honest comparability. He’s saying until he personally witnesses it, or some member of his instant circle, then it did not occur. So he’d say that is not sufficient proof. And I gave him a bunch of alternatives to set even a extra conservative commonplace than what you simply outlined, and he would not. He’s fairly clear there will be proving no atrocities as a result of “everybody I do not know lies.”

I’m fairly positive that struggle crimes have been dedicated by either side.  However expressing an excessive amount of skepticism regarding claims in press releases by Ukrainian and Russian authorities to the denial of overwhelming proof of the holocaust is farcical.

I did not say doubting the media is unfair. I stated advantageous, then identify what sort of proof can be sufficient. And he will not. He’s fairly rattling clear on that time – there is no such thing as a proof he would belief exterior himself and his instant circle of individuals he is aware of and already trusts.

Which is the usual utilized by deniers of any atrocities all through historical past. Just name everybody mendacity and untrustworthy who claims it occurred, be sure you’re by no means able to confirm it your self, and there you go – a complete denial it occurred.

If your response to “the federal government and media have lied and false-flagged earlier than” is to carry up “however the Holocaust is actual!” you then’re a retard. First off, I’ve relations who survived the Treblinka and misplaced buddies. (Admittedly, I additionally had relations that did not survive the basements of the Big House.) And as a Jew, I’m FAR extra involved about the truth that the media may be very probably manufacturing falsehoods to justify “retaliation.” Just like the way it manufactured the WMDs in Iraq, for example.

But so far as the opposite factors, the Stalin argument? Well, I dunno. Again, in contrast to you, I had and have relations who lived within the USSR. Yeah they seem to be a bit fucked within the head. But the USSR had a TON of civic advantage. In truth, it was the one motive it managed to outlive lengthy sufficient – as a result of its residents have been prepared to place the beliefs of the USSR over their private gratification. So sure, Stalin did extra to engender civic advantage than the homosexuals.

Do you even know what civic advantage is?

What proof would you settle for that atrocities did and are occurring in Ukraine, if not media primarily based ones?

Either my very own two eyes, a member of the family, or a pal (within the Eastern European sense of the phrase, not the American one). People whom I belief implicitly and explicitly, as a result of they’re both blood, or the subsequent smartest thing. Anybody else has an agenda and can distort the reality to suit their agenda/narrative.

OK so, hypothetically, should you have been alive throughout Stalinist Russia and information studies got here out about mass purges and hunger,  terror campaigns and gulags, however you had no private pal who witnessed it…would you simply dismiss studies about it? Those studies did in truth have agendas (the US wished Stalin’s reign to finish and reporters clearly had an agenda to finish him) however they have been additionally appropriate studies and people issues have been occurring, regardless of an agenda towards Stalin from the West.